I think I've heard it all now:
But O'Brien says Mr Obama spoke candidly about their relationship - which has in the past been described as a "meeting of minds".
"He was quite expansive and quite genuine on what he saw as the commonality and connections between [he and Mr Rudd]. One of which was humility," O'Brien said.
Many words come to mine when I think of B Hussein Obama...but humility....
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